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Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« on: January 04, 2011, 09:59:31 PM »

This is getting really widespread does anybody have any thoughts on this? At first it was in one area but new mass bird deaths and fish kills keep occurring.
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2011, 10:09:16 PM »

Chemtrails?
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2011, 11:11:12 PM »

It's hard to speculate without sounding like a conspiracy theorist. :whistle:  About all I can say for certain right now is that 1) there isn't any way it is some sort of bacteria or virus and 2) we will likely never know the truth.  My guess?  It's either some corporation's special project (Monsanto's headquarters are near the first occurrences) or some branch of the government is testing something strange.
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2011, 11:33:10 PM »

...or some branch of the government is testing something strange.

Hence the chemtrails...  :whistle:
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 12:11:28 AM »

The James Randi Skeptics Forum has this intriguing theory:

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Ok what we have is a flock of diurnal birds that habitually roost in large flocks and which were found dead in town.

We also have reports of a storm system moving through the area and heavy booming noises.

A short lived tornado runs through a small un-populated (by people) area and these roosting birds get drawn up into the storm could where they get pummeled into each other and thrown around by the high winds. They are also at an altitude they do not normally go to and may suffocate of at least be unconscious. The storm moves on weakening and the birds finally drop out of the sky and are found in the morning.
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 01:29:08 AM »

Which sounds somewhat plausible for the birds, but doesn't account for the 100,000 fish (of a single species only) that suddenly all died a day or two before just a few miles away ... storms do not change the water conditions enough to account for that. ;)

BTW, that is the same line the "officials" are using based on necropsy results of "blunt force trauma" ... but ignoring (or at least not mentioning) that the injuries could have been from hitting the ground.
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2011, 05:39:07 AM »

Actually some reports did state that they were uncertain if the blunt force trauma was what killed them or was simply them hitting the ground.

The birds is a simple one to speculate on. The storm theory is the most plausible and meets my "Go for the simple answer first" way of thinking (since the simplest answer is usually the one).

My personal theory is that one of those birds pooped on some Bishop's car and he asked God to smite them. :D

The "single species of fish only" fish kill on the other hand is more of a PITA to figure out. That is not normal in fish. What causes a fish kill in one, *usually* kills other species as well.

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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2011, 08:15:33 AM »

The "single species of fish only" fish kill on the other hand is more of a PITA to figure out. That is not normal in fish. What causes a fish kill in one, *usually* kills other species as well.

If the single species has a narrower band of tolerance for something like temperature, pH, or environmental factors, it makes sense that a limited change in that (a couple of degrees increase or decrease, a couple points more acidic or alkaline) would affect that species and not other species that have a wider tolerance. With as screwy as the weather has been lately, it's a thought.

Saw on the news this morning that there's a fish kill in Chesapeake Bay that they're thinking is cold-related:

http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=13786220

And there's a higher percentage of manatee deaths due to cold waters:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/29/manatees-swarm-to-power-p_n_802410.html
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2011, 08:50:21 AM »

See? Power plants are helping wildlife. Take that environuts!
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2011, 09:18:01 AM »

I think it's all weather related. 
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2011, 09:49:04 AM »

I don't have any ideas on the cause but I find it VERY concerning.
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2011, 10:13:26 AM »

If the single species has a narrower band of tolerance for something like temperature, pH, or environmental factors, it makes sense that a limited change in that (a couple of degrees increase or decrease, a couple points more acidic or alkaline) would affect that species and not other species that have a wider tolerance. With as screwy as the weather has been lately, it's a thought.

Problem is, the fish do not likely have a narrow tolerance since they are indigenous to a large number of states in the US (from Texas to Wisconsin).  I don't have time to look up their stats right now, but having keep tropical fish for over 20 years, this one sounds to me like some sort of poison is responsible.
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2011, 11:48:41 AM »

Why would a poison only effect one species?
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 02:42:33 PM »

IDK ... may be they are the only fish near the source.  I only mentioned poison because it is highly unlikely that much else would affect so many fish so rapidly.  It could also be something that reduced the oxygen content in the water enough that it only affected them, but I have a hard time believing that a fish as hardy as a freshwater drum fish would be affected before other fish were.  It's really weird.
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2011, 02:46:34 PM »

I agree. Any fish species in a given body of water will have their tolerances adjusted for that body of water. Just as my fish are living at a higher than normal PH for their species (@#$%ing well water) and have gotten used to it and in fact are thriving. Anything that changes the environmental water should kill off more than one species.

Even if the other species are more tolerant of it, the sudden change is more likely to kill them. This is why Crystal Dragon and many other of my trusted sources of fishy lore inform me that as long as my fish are happy at their slightly higher than tolerance PH, leave them alone.

And even if you were to say that one species of fish is more tolerant than another, there should be some of the smaller and weaker members of that species getting killed off as well as the targeted species.

As for poison, I'm doubting that since again there is only one fish species showing up as dead. Especially considering that the reverse is often true. That the Freshwater Drum Fish is often one of the few surviving species left after a spill or other contamination.

The only thing that I can think of that could and frequently does target one species in an environment is some sort of disease be it parasitic, fungal, bacterial, or viral. And that can tie in with the cold since a change in the environment can cause a slight weakness in the fish (not enough to kill them normally) that an infection/infestation can exploit.

The birds could due to the cold. The species hit are normally warmer weather birds who winter in areas that are normally warmer than they have had this past month. God knows it got bitterly cold here in Southern Maryland, an area that normally I survive the winters by wearing a hoodie most of the time as we rarely go below 40.
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2011, 05:50:09 PM »


I think Mongo's on to something about disease/parasite susceptability. There are quite a number of germs and micro-organisms that are seasonal and/or weather reactive... I learned this a few years ago when I was hospitalized for a severe histamine reaction. I was tested for 160 alergens (which involves drawing a huge grid on your back and poking each square with needles. no fun at all.) Turns out I'm alergic to some germs that almost everyone gets infected with several times a year- the symptoms are so mild that you never even realise you're sick... unless you're alergic- then you have to take antihistamines for a month when they flare up. Anyway, my point is that there can be sudden and surprise infections, and germs do mutate- the drumfish might have suffered something equivalent to a human flu epidemic, and germs can be quite species-specific. Just my theory.

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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2011, 06:00:51 PM »

Sounds as plausible as any.
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2011, 06:05:41 PM »

What interests me is that the fish kills are happening in other areas of the world also..
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2011, 06:23:10 PM »

It's a precursor warning for 2012.

Either that or it's Obama's fault (they seem to enjoy blaming him for everything from healthcare to hangnails these days).
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2011, 08:17:08 PM »



Either that or it's Obama's fault (they seem to enjoy blaming him for everything from healthcare to hangnails these days).
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You mean... it's not his fault?  :puppyeye:
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2011, 08:18:12 PM »

 :rotflmao:
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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2011, 08:20:02 PM »

What interests me is that the fish kills are happening in other areas of the world also..

It's aliens, man.  :vulcan:
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Re: Birds falling from the sky and fish kills.
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2011, 08:57:37 PM »

 :rotflmao:

The problem with the disease/parasite theory us that all the fish died within a few hours of each other.  That never happens with bugs ... you may see all the fish die, but some have stronger immune systems (just like people) and it would take days, not hours, for the die-off.  However, if a lab created bug were introduced, one that the fish had never been exposed to, a quicker die off might be expected.  This is where the Monsanto connection adds suspicion ... they are currently working on GMO (genetically modified organisms) stuff and frequently bacteria are involved in the process as they are used as a "delivery mechanism" for the genetic modifications.
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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2011, 09:31:42 PM »

It's the beginnings of the Zombie Apocalypse! Umbrella Corporation! Stock up on ammo, spam and liquor!
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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2011, 11:19:06 PM »

Have I mentioned how much I DETEST Monsato?
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